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The Stanford study is currently passing things against the ethics review board, to get final greenlights for the study.

Stanford study? (Are we allowed to talk briefly in here? )

https://community.tulpa.info/thread-tulpa-neuroimaging-research-study-preliminary-search-for-study-applicants

Tulpa Neuroimaging Research Study: Preliminary Search for Study Ap...

Hey guys, most of you probably don't recognize me around here, since I tend to stick to reddit and their discord. I have some exciting news for people. Dr. Samuel Veissiere has finally gotten the go a

[ @Kronkle[Alyson] does that mean they are going to finalize the list of participants and dates after that?

Thanks for the update @Kronkle[Alyson]

@Shinyuu I believe a few simple tests can demonstrate if wonderland activity is equivalent ot fake memories. Memory separation can be achieved by disciplining one's ability to avoid certain thoughts

10:40 AM

But it may be possible with a strong enough belief. I believe the effects of belief on one's experience is an example of self-hypnosis.

10:41 AM

Hypnosis and suggestion is proven to induce false memories or even lock away memories that would be otherwise available.

10:51 AM

@Jas context? (edited)

10:53 AM

ah. I’m not looking for a hard confirmation of my hypothesis. More like; trying to make contacts in the science community.

10:53 AM

i need to have something interesting for them to get to talk to me

10:53 AM

apart from “I’m a switched in tulpa yay!” which isn’t much exciting anyways

I was replying to your message concerning getting in touch with someone in academia on those topics

nods

I think there is something strong in the belief structure surrounding this thing. There may be exciting prospects to having a group capable of strong beliefs that result in psychological changes that can manifest in observable ways.

10:27 PM

Example: Person has a tulpa that (as far as they both believe) doesn't have the ability to feel physical pain as far as they remember. Person is experiencing tons of pain. They switch, and their tulpa stops responding to the pain while controlling the body.

Interesting

Test: Person puts their hands in ice water as long as they can manage. They switch and try again after hands warm up. Record the difference in times as compared to, say, the beneficial effect cursing has or the effect of hypnotic effects or being "psyched up" as I'm sure those have been studied to some degree and the ice bath is a classic pain tolerance test.

That would be quite an interesting experiment.

@Sluewjahr I've experienced it, it's a powerful effect that is incredibly useful.

Quite similar to how I experience less of the effects of Skye's panic attacks while she is having them, and she experiences less depression while I am experiencing a downwards mood swing.

Cards had a terrible abdominal pain that impeded his ability to even walk properly, and he couldn't dissociate from it for some reason. He switched, then drove 2 hours without issue or incident.

Something seems wrong about that even though they cant feel it lol. But i agree that woukd be quite the useful skill, though i dont think im any where near switching.

Thankfully it wasn't a symptom of appendicitis or something or pain tolerance quickly turns from a tool to a fatal trait.

10:33 PM

It wasn't about feeling the pain, more like the response to it. Cards switched to a tulpa that never experienced physical pain in memory. Physical discomfort, yes, but pain was never claimed to be present. The feeling was exactly the same, but the response to it that inhibits motor function wasn't there, and as far as I remember I didn't respond protectively to avoid any sharp pains emanating from my actions.

10:35 PM

Of course this is a rather extreme example, but extreme examples are the best because I'm sure a group of people with "pain free" tulpas are floating around. They can converge and put themselves through a test that's significant. The results of the test can indeed be different as hypnosis has already proven to remove pain response before, but it isn't a tested thing with tulpas in particular and I don't think self-hypnosis has been so thoroughly studied or tested.

Pretty bad ass concept

I'm among the most skeptical and most evidence-oriented people here, and I definitely don't have many of the abilities claimed by many other people in this place, but if I can at least show the effects strongly then there is a basis to study this phenomenon for a better understanding of how humans can show agency in altering their experiences internally.

2:13 AM

I would be really excited by people studying those stronger claims though. I really hope they discover something substantial that isn't covered by the strength of hypnotic suggestion. (edited)

2:16 AM

There have been a few small pushes for showing the claims are somewhat relevant with things like data-collecting games or self-tests involving how a person processes detail in a cluttered image. I don't know if anything conclusive came from the game, but I do know people claimed to be able to offload the ability to search for detail without their attention. If I remember, it was a composite image of many albums, and the objective was something like "Stare at the image as a whole and let your tulpa direct you to the album with the white horse on it"

2:18 AM

Even stronger is if you time the search, with the tulpa and host given the instruction to search independently (host/tulpa pair must keep the eyes focused on the big picture and just mentally process the internal details) and a control group can just do a regular search to find an average time for success.

2:21 AM

If there are truly two people searching independently, the results may be cutting the times in half for tulpa/host pairs, even more with more tulpas. However, there may be a limitation to the benefits if the ability to search is hampered by the limitations of eye movement and peripheral focus. But, even with that handicap, if there is truth behind the idea that the tulpa offloads the detail recognition, then one can even expect a strength of possibly a 30% reduction in time or more.

2:24 AM

I dearly hope there is some website on the Net which is a competitive image searching site which records the average time for users (in hopes they remain honest in single searches for the most part, but it wouldn't contribute to a false positive in the case that the game is played by a significant number of group-users) and has a bank of images to search from so we can collect more data from just one person. I would expect an improvement with added experience playing, but if the images are ordered the test can be at least a little controlled for the influences that practice has.

2:25 AM

I'm sorry, I have trouble keeping my thoughts inside whenever I speak about something that interests me. I didn't mean to go on a monologue and create this wall of text, I lost self-control for a while.

Your idea sounds like a good experiment to try.

3:19 AM

I think you should try to organize something, maybe. We have some computer savvy people here and plenty of tulpas....

@Jas In regards to the phenomenon your host experiences when switching. There was an interesting study that i'm not sure if you are aware of. http://scienceblogs.com/neurophilosophy/2008/12/24/disowning-pain-with-binoculars/ It seems as though distorting your body image can have profound changes in how we perceive pain, the individual disowns their body as the image that appears to them is unlike how they perceive themselves and therefore the pain and swelling is greatly diminished. This distortion was done through the use of inverted binoculars. It could be that when switched, the tulpa may not perceive the body as their own and therefore feel as though the pain isn't there. I'm not sure if this is in the same realm as hypnosis...

Disowning pain with binoculars

My second article for the Scientific American Mind Matters website is online now. This one is about the recent study which demonstrated that distorting the body image alters pain perception – specifically, it was found that using inverted binoc...

Well, dissociation with body parts has always been the pain medicine since early childhood.

8:44 PM

It's just that the gut was a particular source of pain due to an unfortunate illness that the body was born with. It is nearly impossible to remove pain from in the organs and gut, separating from that pain was always nearly impossible. But I guess in some situations outside of nausea and illness it is possible.

8:45 PM

But yes, the study does confirm what I'm familiar with. Disowning the body is a good way of removing pain, but I'm more in the mental state of disowning the natural feelings and associations with pain.

Tulpa form study: In an individual the body plays a major role in defining who they are and their self image but how much of that is true for tulpas and their forms? This is a survey to find any correlations between the forms we chose and how they might influence our identities and our self construct/schema. This survey will be closed a week from now. Analysis and raw data will be posted in the coming weeks. Disclaimer: This survey is not conducted by any authority on the subject or by anyone with any psychology degree or background. Thank you for participating in this study! Survey Link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd8KtxkwMIfPRvUeHXxtnT3_eZE70sObKBQEKvV-PBmzrKDng/viewform

Tulpa Form Study.

There's some odd questions in this, such as "Are you aware of your form at all times." "How attractive do others view your form to be" comes off as some sort of blind dating scheme. I don't know, these questions are rubbing off on me the wrong way because of how questionably worded they are.

1:18 AM

I'm not sure how I'm not supposed to be aware of my form at all times either, but to each their own I guess.

1:24 AM

I apologize for coming off as rude, probably shouldn't have been as harsh.

Hmm ' ' It's your personal experience of it and it is something that will help bring understanding of the level of attachment one has with their form. As for attractiveness that is to do with body image. How you believe others perceive you and how you perceive yourself to be.

1:27 AM

I will make a note of it but it may be too late to change the wording as that would affect the study and it's responses.

No worries. Variation is important.

1:47 AM

There are some questions in there that would be considered alarming if you voted 1 on. Cull the herd.

Could you please tell me which ones are alarming to you?

1:58 AM

Any feedback would be helpful

Confusing- "Being aware of your form" is a little odd, as having one makes you essentially aware of it. Form immersion overall comes off as strange, since being able to interact and experience these things in the wonderland seems to be a bit of a given. Visualization Proficiency stems from being aware of your form - If you can't visualize it, how do you have a form? Just seems weird to me. Alarming - "Are you able to visualize your form" is odd because it's your form, you should be able to see it on your own as is, per say. This feels like a question more oriented toward hosts. You have to take a while to fully flesh out a form in the first place through forcing. "Do you suffer from any of the following identity related disorders or experience similar symptoms while switched" is alarming because tulpas don't usually experience their host's disorders to an extent. It just doesn't seem right if the host has these issues and the tulpa shares them when they "switch." It doesn't work like that honestly, unless if it's something like dyslexia for example. The last option, body integrity identity disorder, is applicable as it's not your own actual body. Participation Trophy - "When you meet someone new, do you inform them about your form"

Take it all with a grain of salt, it's just how I view it.

those questions seemed valid to us

3:42 AM

just because most tulpas are a certain way doesn't mean all are

3:42 AM

and a tulpa could definitely have dysphoria when the host didn't

I feel some level of dysphoria, it’s just something I have to live with if I’m in front.

Goodness. sorry i did not reply sooner... I'm a bit busy at the moment. Give me a moment and i will explain things a bit better. (edited)

I don’t think the level of dysphoria I have is worth complaining about, but it exists.

Diana does too. But she's reassured me many times that it's worth it.

3:50 AM

and, yeah, it doesn't seem too bad.

"Participation Trophy - "When you meet someone new, do you inform them about your form"" As far as this question goes, Identity is formed not only by our internal definition of ourselves but the narrative created by those who engage socially with us. In my understanding it is important to know if others know about your form as that will reflect as part of your identity or how others view you.

3:52 AM

Hang on just a second...

Mhm, all are valid. I am aware that not all tulpas are the same of course. Tulpas experiencing dysphoria is something that even I experience, which is alright. Perhaps I got a bit confused between host and tulpa stuff, whoops.

4:07 AM

Take your time, no rush - the Participation trophy is only teasing and a joke, haha. No worries about it.

Do you want multiple responses, one for each tulpa?

That would be helpful Apollo.

Are you able to visualize your form - In regards to this question. There are some systems that are not able to visualize their form or might not have put the time to be able to visualize their form other than looking at an image of themselves. It could be that the host is able to visualize the form but the tulpa might not be able to. It's something unique to each and every system. There are different skill sets we can attach to forms and each tulpa might be strong at one or the other. It's a very individualistic aspect. The aim of the study is to find out what is consistent across all tulpas and what might not be. By leaving an option for tulpas to express their experience of their forms we can determine the range of unique perceptions tulpas might have of their forms. Nothing was left out of the realm of possibility. It goes the same for form immersion, tulpas have varying degrees of attachment to their forms, some devote more time to honing their senses to immerse themselves in wonderland while others prefer not to and focus on other skills such as possession or switching. For those who spend more time on certain skills while ignoring the others, how important is their form to them? There are varying factors that are at play which i aim to study.

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Thank you!

https://shinyuu.net/2018/04/forcing-modern-practice-vs-psychology/ it's finally done; woo~

Shinyuu

Forcing: Modern Practice vs Psychology

Active and passive forcing — which one is better? Which one will help you to create a tulpa faster? Is it possible to create tulpa only by passive forcing? In this post I will discuss the min…

@Shinyuu release the 2016 census data

mm; sure; I'll poke hostey.

2:16 PM

[ fuuuuck. census.

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just post the spreadsheets

2:16 PM

don't care about the analysis

[ I don't have the spreadsheets

the raw data

2:16 PM

whatever

[ I have a few mb of json with lots of PII.

that's fine

[ no?

2:17 PM

[ I can't post stuff with PII.

2:17 PM

[ I need to go and clean that shit up (which I was neglecting for a year now lol)

yeah it's 2018 and this is the 2016 census

[ oh, it's 2018 already? ffs.

I'd suggest just giving it to someone who cares about it (me) so that they can do it instead

[ I don't even know you

yeah you do, I'm waffles

[ ah I do now

2:18 PM

[ let's follow up in pm

Would it be possible for me to speak to a moderator? I'm an admin in another server, and I need to consult with someone from this specific server who can speak with some authority

I'd recommend posting it in a more relative channel other than #tulpa-research

Where can I ask stuff about the creation process

In beginners or tulpa discussion.

so, proposal. Anyone who's spent a significant amount of time in this community knows that people use 'switching' to mean a lot of different things. Some examples include: any full-body possession, a "stronger" form of full-body possession, a tulpa possessing while the host is unaware, a tulpa possessing while the host feels like a tulpa, a "switch" in a single consciousness from one identity to another, and more.(edited) what'd I'd like to do is, survey people to collect information on what people actually mean, when they talk about switching. Then, categorize them, as best as possible. Assign different names to them, even, or categories at least. Then, try to determine what differentiates them, if there's a way to get one or the other, and so on.

10:42 PM

(I posted this a little bit ago on TC. I have a draft survey if anyone wants to take a look at it. Let me know.)